Mr. BAGBY: Without those cell phone records, they couldn't formally charge. An unusually personal and powerful story of a murder, it may offer something of a counterweight to the forces of bias and prurience that often pull the genre off-track. What if she is backed in a. corner? then one day I realized what it was. We were done," Kate Bagby said, finishing her husband's thought, a quirk of their relationship that became apparent during a several-hour recount of how their lives spiraled out of control after that phone call from police. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. August 5, 2008: Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. Dance with the Devil is David Bagby's . You can't tell them this over the phone. For this night they were a couple once again, dancing and drinking together. Bring lots of kleenex and prepare to be equally angry and emotionally drained as you watch real, so-called justice in action. Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. We. "This is the purest, most intensely raw film I have ever seen of any kind, dramatic or nonfiction. You take it with you, but you move on, said David. As religious as that may sound, that is a comfort. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. get a chance to have some of Andrew again. . One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. USA | Canada | UK, Original poster artwork by Evan B. Harris, Proceeds from this film benefit the Dr. Bagby Scholarship and the Dr. Andrew Bagby and son Zachary Bursary, Watch this short film to see the quest to complete Dear Zachary and amend Canadian bail law. iTunes | Amazon Prime Video | Google Play, DEAR ZACHARY ORIGINAL MOTION PICTURE SCORE ALBUM NOW AVAILABLE. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. They are selfless. Kuenne, a childhood friend of Andrews, started out to make the movie as a tribute to Andrew, but it kept taking on new meanings, first with Zacharys birth and then his death. Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss - Goodreads And thus the decision from which all else followed. When police interviewed the hospital staff Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Well, you don't have to look far.' Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Do not meet her in private.' report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. This abridged version was prepared personally by Kurt Kuenne in order to comply with CBC Newsworld's time constraints but preserve the film's impact while reaching a wider audience in Canada. And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. Schultz quotes the brother of Hae Min Lee, the victim of the murder at the center of the first season of Serial, responding, on Reddit, to the surge of interest in the case: I wont be answering any questions because . One contains the remains of their son, Dr. Andrew Bagby. I only live a block away.' If you were to dream up the perfect set of parents, it would be Kate and David Bagby. The night was. This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. Kuenne began making Dear Zachary before Turner revealed her pregnancy. The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. Its not the sort of true crime that leaves you wanting more. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. April 14, 2009: Also foreshadowing is how long it takes Andrews parents, Kate and David, to wade through various levels of bureaucracy to confirm his death. Zachary, how's our baby today? to reconsider getting some help with that. David remembers uttering, "It's really him," and recalls how the two cried over the body, tears falling on to Andrew's face. The strange allure of Robert Durst and The Jinx.. See details above! Dear Zachary was named one of the top 5 documentaries of 2008 by the National Board of Review! He was such a good baby. This film wasn't made to win awards, or, for that matter, even be criticized. Wow." I had a job I loved. In January, the film was nominated for Best Documentary by both the Chicago Film Critics Association and the Online Film Critics Society, who also nominated writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne for Breakthrough Filmmaker of 2008. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' On Aug. 18, 2003, while awaiting extradition to the U.S. on a charge of murdering Andrew, Turner jumped into the waters of Conception Bay South with her 13-month-old son strapped to her in a murder-suicide. Around 11:30 PM Shirley came downstairs, asking to borrow T.J.'s car. I dont know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. A judge called Andrews murder a vicious crime, but did not consider Turner a risk to others. The pair planned to take care of the minutiae of dealing with a lost loved one, fly back to California and kill themselves. They are selfless. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. Information on who and where to write can be found on the "Support Bail Reform" page. Cpl. This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. The Bagbys, who recently marked their 50th wedding anniversary, say it sustained them for nearly a decade as . Bad things tend not to announce themselves, they just kind of land right on your head. And Kate kissed him and held him and kissed him some more. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. Mr. BAGBY: Yes. Sometimes, if you are paying attentionclose attentionyou can see it coming, even if only barely. "We had to do something.. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. And as tragic as this story is, that is also where its consolation lies: that Shirley Jane Turner destroyed everything around her in an attempt to extinguish the love she was incapable of experiencing herself, and in the end she couldnt. My TV-consumption habits for the past several months have been awash in murder, and Netflix knows itwhich is how, fresh from binge-watching Making a Murderer and hungry for more, I recently came across Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father. This odd documentarywhich deals with the death of a young physician named Andrew Bagby, who was a childhood friend of the films director, Kurt Kuennemade a small splash when it was first released, in 2008, but its worth revisiting now, in the midst of the recent bonanza of true-crime hits. Curated newsletters for curious minds. (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. If you didnt realize the importance of that, Kuenne mutes the film to let you process it. All rights reserved, Click here for information on becoming a member. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yes, ma'am, I am. Zachary didn't seem like. to let out hints that Shirley Turner was the prime suspect. And that's when she said, `He loves you, more than me. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. It also took 3rd place in the National Headliner Awards for Best Documentary of 2008, given by the Press Club of Atlantic City. Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. October 22, 2009: -, "A 10 out of 10. David and Kate Bagby channeled their grief & anguish into changing some Canadian laws. I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. Unidentified Man #25: I love them very much. Highlights from the week in culture, every Saturday. If a suitable candidate is not identified, the award will not be given for that year. I would really like for you and Kate. We did have him for a little while, she said. How do you represent anguish of that magnitude without turning it into a Greek tragedy? And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. David Bagby will be signing copies of Dance with the Devil on Sunday, January 20th, from 3-4 P.M. at Dolly's Bookstore, 510 Main Street, Park City, Utah. But you will come away believing in people. In November 2002, when, Zachary was four months old, a Canadian judge ruled that a properly instructed, jury would likely find Shirley Turner guilty and ordered her incarceration, while awaiting a decision from justice officials to surrender her to the, United States. This is without a doubt one of the most profound, touching and moving films I have ever watched." Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court. At one point, one friend says that if he had one tenth of the people who cared about him half as much as they do about Bagby, he would be happy. They were somewhat successful with the passing of Bill C-464 in December 2010 with the added clause that bail could be denied if it was deemed necessary for the protection of anyone under the age of 18. DVD: Amazon | B&N Oh, my God. The Bagbys, who recently marked their 50th wedding anniversary, say it sustained them for nearly a decade as they struggled to come to terms first with the 2001 slaying of their 28-year-old son, Dr. Andrew Bagby, and later with the murder of Andrew's son, 13 . And then, November 2001, Andrew Bagby was shot dead in a state park not far from the hospital in which the young doctor was a resident, and his devoted parents all but lost the will to live. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. -Managed leading Egyptian companies' accounts with the firm, including in the oil and gas, financial, consumer goods, real estate and automotive sectors. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. Because this is foreshadowing. Dear Zachary had its Canadian premiere at the Hot Docs International Documentary Film Festival in Toronto, where it was welcomed by a line down the street and around the block to get in. Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta will be the bill's sponsor in the Senate, and will shortly be distributing DVDs of "Dear Zachary" to all members of the Senate, just as he and MP Andrews distributed the film to all members of the House of Commons last fall when he introduced the bill. Awaiting extradition, Turner drowned 13-month-old Zachary and took her own life as well. After arriving home, she drove 900 miles back to Pennsylvania to kill the man who rejected her. A 10th Anniversary Collector's Edition Blu-Ray and DVD with special artwork and packaging is available only from Oscilloscope Laboratories at the link below. It comes down to probable cause, the right to bail and the presumption of innocence. Click HERE for assistance. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah. It's pretty easy to analyze what the, options are. I praise Kurt Kuenne for having the heart and determination to perfectly put together one of the most powerful documentaries I have ever watched. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. (Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. Murders of Andrew Bagby and Zachary Turner - Wikipedia By refusing to become the thing they hate, they provide a profound lesson on the power of love and the courage to survive the unthinkable." The bill, if passed into law later this year, would justify detention in custody for those accused of a serious crime who are a potential danger to their own children under the age of 18. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. A huge chunk of the remainder of Dear Zachary is the Canadian justice system treating the Bagbys like common criminals while the actual criminal is given a breathtaking amount of freedom. It was made to tell a story and to capture forever the life of one man and the many people he touched. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. Dear Zachary was then voted the #3 audience favorite of the festival by viewer ballot, out of the 172 distinguished documentaries screening at Hot Docs. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. May 16, 2008: They are the opposite of Shirley Jane Turner. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. CORNER BROOK, N.L. The amount of the award will be variable, but is expected to be in the range of $1,000. The upbeat music stops and a little boy who speaks in that lispy slow muckle-mouthed way little boys do, asks, Why did Andrew get killed?. The Bagbys could scarcely believe. I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. Or it's in the car. But afterwards, all wounded and broken down, you will see the power of the human spirit even in the face of the darkest of souls." But it will also introduce you to some of the most inspiring, strong and caring people ever to grace the big screen."" Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. She was deranged. He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. Jackson, Kentucky. 'Dear Zachary' Is A Greek Tragedy Come To Life | Defector First their son was murdered in Pennsylvania, then their grandson in There is a dark pull in watching the Bagby case travel to unanticipated depths, but there are no thrills. I kind of. You know when you see pictures of some of your friends and then pictures of their parents as kids and they look identical? Did anyone have more friends than he? Here's Why 'Dear Zachary' Is The Most Upsetting Documentary Ever Made Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. get in there, if that's what she demanded. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. Turner shot Bagby two days after he broke up with her at a Pennsylvania airport as she was set to fly back to Iowa. to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. MORRISON: There might have been a particular reason for this. Our SaltWire team is always watching out for the place we call home. Kate said Shirley insisted on keeping Zachary in, the deep pool, which frustrated him because he couldn't move on his own. murderer in check. This marks the first time in history an MP from Newfoundland has been able to get a private member's bill through Parliament; since 2001, 2,510 Private Member's Bills have been introduced in the House of Commons, but only 23 - less than 1% - have received Royal Assent. Senior Writer and Project Manager. Watching the documentary brings up a mix of feelings from joy to hatred. But before that could happen, Shirley was apparently deemed neither, dangerous nor a flight risk and almost immediately released on bail, most of, it posted by one of her mentors from med school, a psychiatrist to whom she'd, gone for treatment after Andrew's murder. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. STORY CONTINUES BELOW THESE SALTWIRE VIDEOS. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. Right, right. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. IMDbPro Starmeter. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. She would never go away. Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. It will have its television premiere on MSNBC this fall following a theatrical release that is currently in negotiations and expected to be announced in the coming weeks. After Canadian mother killed herself and their only grandchild, U.S You know? This is the first example in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it.